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Daredevil-Sanjuro
08-16-2006, 06:28 PM
Hey all--

I just finished up reading the David Lapham miniseries Daredevil vs. Punisher: Means and Ends.

Did anyone else read it? If so, how do you weigh in?

In short: the action was cool, the fight scenes were downright fantastic, and I liked Daredevil's tone when he's talking to criminals ("You're just a loser"). But I didn't care much for the characterization of the Punisher-- I thought he came across a little too psychotic, and I like him to seem in control.

ggfunk
08-16-2006, 08:35 PM
Hey all--

I just finished up reading the David Lapham miniseries Daredevil vs. Punisher: Means and Ends.

Did anyone else read it? If so, how do you weigh in?

In short: the action was cool, the fight scenes were downright fantastic, and I liked Daredevil's tone when he's talking to criminals ("You're just a loser"). But I didn't care much for the characterization of the Punisher-- I thought he came across a little too psychotic, and I like him to seem in control.
I haven't read it, but I'll definitely be checking it out.

Have you read The Tyger yet?

The Questyen
08-16-2006, 09:08 PM
The Tyger was awesome. Daredevil vs. Punisher: Means and Ends was not.

Daredevil-Sanjuro
08-16-2006, 10:03 PM
I haven't read The Tyger yet-- is it Garth Ennis? I'd like to try some of his stuff.

I've got a bit of a review I'll be posting later on my blog, mulberryfield.blogspot.com. I'm gonna put it here and see what people think-- feel free to say whatever (long as it's not troll stuff or flame) and let me know what y'all think

This is good stuff, but I feel like something’s missing. Certainly not in the action department: the fight scenes are awesome. Some people know how to draw fights, and Lapham is one of these. For a great example, see the scene where the Punisher flees the Hospital in issue 5. Lapham handles Daredevil very well. I think he shows a level of competence drawing Daredevil “in action” that puts him on a par with Scott McDaniel, Lee Weeks, or even some Frank Miller.



Is there a moral to this story? Do the characters come out wiser for the experience? Not really. The Punisher has a crisis of faith about his mission, but is rejuvenated by the response of one victim he sought to defend. And his rejuvenation isn’t anything new, it’s just a resolve to do what he set out to do on page one. Daredevil, on the other hand, doesn’t undergo any major changes through the storyline. Daredevil is a stabilizing force: where Frank Castle wavers, flubs up, and even looks foolish on several occasions, Daredevil is always in charge. He terrifies mobsters and evades security systems with ease.


It’s not that Lapham doesn’t give Daredevil good material. Lapham’s Daredevil has a biting edge that suits him well. Daredevil’s life is ruined so often by his writers that, in my opinion, he’s become a little too vulnerable. The mixture of Lapham’s writing (“Don’t waste your bullets. You’ve never been able to tag me. You’re a loser, Bushwacker. You’re pathetic and you bore me.”) and inking (check out the scene where DD’s face is obscured by black ink, to frightening effect, while visiting an injured mobster) give the hero the menace more writers should exploit. This is a guy who dresses like the theological embodiment of evil—I feel like other writers (at least, the ones I’ve read—I’m new to DD) should take better advantage of this.

Daredevil and Punisher are made for each other. The Punisher has no faith in civil society, or the justice system. Matt Murdock is part of the justice system. The Punisher breaks the law—human and divine-- by killing those he deems guilty. Daredevil, a devout catholic who abhors killing, obeys laws human and divine.



The plot is missing something. It rambles along until the end, when it sends the protagonists on their merry way with a pat on the head. This makes DvP similar to most cross-over comics, where the story is merely a device to showcase how the personalities and fighting styles of the two characters differ. One is tempted to interpret the end as depressing: The Punisher ends the series thinking the same way he did when he entered it.

Red
08-17-2006, 02:22 AM
Tyger was insanely awesome! I picked up DD vs. Punisher while in a bookstore a couple of weeks ago, looked at it, and then set it back down. ;)

Daredevil-Sanjuro
08-17-2006, 10:08 PM
hey again folks--


got that review posted on DvP. It's at

http://mulberryfield.blogspot.com

thanks folks! enjoy!