[Edmond Dantes]

I searched on the forum but couldnt find one, I know that it hasnt come out in the U.S. or Canada yet but its been out for awhile elsewhere and even though there are a few threads on it, none specifically about its reaction!

Ill start off by saying:
Casino Royale: 5/5 (as a Bond film for me)
Quantum of Solace: (3/5 if accompanied by Casino, it goes down a notch without it.

I personally loved Skyfall. Im still struggling on if I want to give it a 4.5/5 or 5/5 (again, rated as a Bond film). To get the obvious out of the way, it is the best looking Bond film, the direction is well done and except for one or two instances the acting top notch. Its weird because it is a retro throwback to the old Bond films but at the same time a story such as this one, more personal to Bond hasnt been done before. Craig is at his best (though most will still remark that he's more thuggish), but to me in essence its what Bond is. A lot is going to be talked about Bardems villainous Raul, but I loved what they did with him, the risks, the acting, everything. He'd be in my top 5 Bond villains. Love the ending, bringing it all the way back home. Sorry that I dont want to go in to too many spoilers, but I loved it. And I LOVED what they did with M. Screw the haters.

A few critiques: pacing feels a bit off. Select the black box below with your cursor to view the spoiler text

Also, the whole Raul leaving his laptop to infiltrate and let him out of MI6. I personally thought that that was a bit stupid on the part of Q considering how brilliant they make him out to be and adding that they were already hacked at the beginning of the film. Also, even though its more a means to an end, at the begining with the whole agents on a laptop hardrive, really? Are you going to make it that easy to unleash all of the undercover agents? At least in Mission Impossible they actually had to break into langley and the impossible vault. Here they carry agents real names and everything on a laptop in the middle of no where. I dont care what kind of deal they were doing, they couldnt be that dumb.

When I walked out of the theaters half of the people loved it and half thought it was tedious and long. Its going to be interesting how it does in the U.S. Personally, its a top 5 Bond film for me. Im not saying its Best picture material, though out of all the Bonds it comes close. And as a Bond fan, that ending had me smiling...

thoughts?

[Atomic Cow]

I need to pay attention to release dates. I have planned my last two weekends around seeing Skyfall.

[Edmond Dantes]

I still have no clue why it came out ealier in Argentina than the U.S., its never happened. Add to that that theres no marketing here, I didnt know that the movie was released until yesterday morning. In 5 minutes I had my tickets!

[BobHarris]

Any guesses on the domestic boxoffice? I'd go 80 mil. with the good reviews im hearing.

[Mr Expendable 2]

wow its at 94%...impressive - didnt think any Bond movie would come close to that number after CR.

[Steveland. Danger.]

I cannot wait to see this.

[Twol84]

Select the black box below with your cursor to view the spoiler text

You can't blame MI6 for being that stupid, especially as you have M, their tactical and strategic leader, literally carrying a torch while escaping in a dark moor. Or Bardem, described as a brilliant agent, having his raison d'etre be to personally kill M, but yet have no issues shooting and grenading the crap out of the house. Or that Bardem's masterplan made even less sense than Bane's. Still a good movie, mind

CR was better, though.

[Chaotic]

Originally Posted by bobharris

any guesses on the domestic boxoffice? I'd go 80 mil. With the good reviews im hearing.

$230-$240m

[Morris Schæffer]

★★★/4

Good stuff, visually arresting. The middle portion drags for about 30 minutes as there's little to up the tension and urgency. This is because Bardem arrives far too late and because of a terrible lack of henchmen to stand in Bond's way. Another thing about Bardem. It was a fun, subversive and flamboyant performance, but I was awfully dissapointed about this motives. They're rote, uninspired, forgettable. Skyfall's story seems to hint at greatness when you read it, and it begins tantalizingly enough (exactly what has M done?!), but it's really quite basic. Of course, Mendes and Deakins direct the hell out of what's there, the action scenes pack a whallop, the film is always fairly plausible and it's hard to deny that, relatively speaking, Dench and Craig add possibly more heart to Bond than numerous other 007 offerings. The finale set in you probably know where was, well, wonderfully atmospheric, and eventually a little moving, but I saw it as a transparant, and a little misguided, attempt to broaden Bond's humanity. To be honest, even with three well deserved stars, it's still a dissapointment.

[BobHarris]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

$230-$240m

opening weekend?

[Harry Caul]

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3562&p=.htm

[BobHarris]

Originally Posted by Harry Caul

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3562&p=.htm

yeah, it's kicking ass overseas. Hence why im curious about the domestic potential.

[Harry Caul]

Originally Posted by BobHarris

yeah, it's kicking ass overseas. Hence why im curious about the domestic potential.

How does Bond generally do in America? Is the franchise as big as it is in Europe?

[BobHarris]

Originally Posted by Harry Caul

How does Bond generally do in America? Is the franchise as big as it is in Europe?

Better than good. Opening weekends have normally been huge since Brosnan took over in the mid 90's. I expect this one to be no different.

[Harry Caul]

Originally Posted by BobHarris

Better than good. Opening weekends have normally been huge since Brosnan took over in the mid 90's. I expect this one to be no different.

Okay. I think you're right then, it should do fine.

My brother in law and nephew went and saw it last week, they saw it on the smallest screen, which I didn't get... But it was because there was no seats left on the bigger screens.

It's kickcing ass over here.

[Feuer und Eis]

Originally Posted by Harry Caul

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3562&p=.htm

HOLY *****. I heard it had sub 30 percent drops in its second weekend as well. WOM is more than likely very good.

[JdlC]

i like Skyfall a lot. although i'm not sure if it's better than Casino Royale, it's been a while since i've seen that one and i honestly can't remember much lol

people looking for fancy action might be disappointed though. with the exception of the opening action scene, the rest are pretty much straightforward. i still like it though because they are well shot. actually the entire film was beautiful to look at.

the plot isn't really anything new or groundbreaking but it was well put together

[Errol Flynn]

Haven't seen it yet, but...

The whole point about CR was that Bond was a new guy. He wasn't at the "shaken, not stirred" point yet. He just got his "007." He was a bit rough and thuggish, but we knew that was going to be ironed out. In fact, that was what we were looking forward to- seeing him evolve! Think of the possibilities! (Tarantino had suggested this years earlier, I believe).

Well, QoS turned out to be a straight continuation from CR, so not so much fun there.

Now- in SF- he's suddenly old, worn-out and jaded?

What happened in between?

[strangeneighbor]

Originally Posted by Errol Flynn

Haven't seen it yet, but...

The whole point about CR was that Bond was a new guy. He wasn't at the "shaken, not stirred" point yet. He just got his "007." He was a bit rough and thuggish, but we knew that was going to be ironed out. In fact, that was what we were looking forward to- seeing him evolve! Think of the possibilities! (Tarantino had suggested this years earlier, I believe).

Well, QoS turned out to be a straight continuation from CR, so not so much fun there.

Now- in SF- he's suddenly old, worn-out and jaded?

What happened in between?

Yeah, you should see it. All of that makes sense and is explained. It's not about being old in that sense.

[Bronco67]

I can't wait to see Javier Bardem do his thang.

[Milkyjoe]

I guess that explains why all the Skyfall threads seem to disappear.

I thought it was ok. 3/5.

Nowhere near as good as everyone seems to be saying.

[Harry Caul]

Originally Posted by Milkyjoe

Nowhere near as good as everyone seems to be saying.

I think there's only two people here at RT who genuinely liked it, everyone else are either disappointed or kind of hate it. You are the minority if you look at critics, but not among film/Bond fans I believe.

[JdlC]

Originally Posted by Harry Caul

I think there's only two people here at RT who genuinely liked it, everyone else are either disappointed or kind of hate it. You are the minority if you look at critics, but not among film/Bond fans I believe.

i'm not calling it the best movie evah or the best bond movie evah (since my memory for the older Bond films is hazy) but i definitely like it well enough that i'd be willing to watch it a second time

for comparison, i liked Skyfall EASILY over ALL of Pierce Brosnan films since those are the ones that are fresh to me thanks to HBO

i can't give an honest comparison of Skyfall to Casino Royale since i barely remember a thing about it. i know there was some parkour thingy and a naked Bond being tortured on a chair but that's about all i can remember from CR. i never bothered watching Quantum of Solace

i can't take anyone's opinion seriously if they think this is a bad film. disappointment i can understand from fans who expected something fancy but a bad film? definitely not.

[Edmond Dantes]

Like I stated above I personally loved it and id place it among my top 3 favorite Bond films. Is there anything THAT original from it? Well, none of the Bond films really are original with their plots or ideas or even really flesh out the character of Bond that much. I think they pushed the limits well giving us a bit further insight to the pschy of Bond without overdoing it (I personally dont want to know all of his background). In this movie they managed that, for me the relationship with M was outstanding (I know it wasnt something brand new either but I liked it). I dont know, it was a more personal Bond movie to me, and they still managed to throw in some references to past films without going all Kingdom of the Crystall Skulls bad. I think this Bond is going to get a lot of backlash at the beginning from the forum, but in years it will be top tier Bond for most I think. God it was nice to hear the theme during the movie again.

[Bane]

Originally Posted by Edmond Dantes

Like I stated above I personally loved it and id place it among my top 3 favorite Bond films. Is there anything THAT original from it? Well, none of the Bond films really are original with their plots or ideas or even really flesh out the character of Bond that much. I think they pushed the limits well giving us a bit further insight to the pschy of Bond without overdoing it (I personally dont want to know all of his background). In this movie they managed that, for me the relationship with M was outstanding (I know it wasnt something brand new either but I liked it). I dont know, it was a more personal Bond movie to me, and they still managed to throw in some references to past films without going all Kingdom of the Crystall Skulls bad. I think this Bond is going to get a lot of backlash at the beginning from the forum, but in years it will be top tier Bond for most I think. God it was nice to hear the theme during the movie again.

How does it compare to CR? Does Skyfall still feel unique when compared to all the other Bond films?

[Harry Caul]

Originally Posted by JdlC

i can't take anyone's opinion seriously if they think this is a bad film. disappointment i can understand from fans who expected something fancy but a bad film? definitely not.

There's a thread around here where a guy explains at length why he hated it and if I recall correctly, it's not so much that he thought it was a bad film (though he didn't think it was good), but that it was a bad Bond film.

I do not agree, but it's fair way to look at the film, it is after all part of a legacy and not a stand alone movie.

Also, I thought it was quite fancy.

[BobHarris]

http://www.studiobriefing.net/2012/1...-of-bond-role/

[Bane]

How does it compare to Casino Royale?

[Stryder]

I have a feeling I'm going to love it over Casino. Eva Green isn't in Skyfall. That's almost enough right there to put it over the top.

[Bane]

Originally Posted by BobHarris

http://www.studiobriefing.net/2012/1...-of-bond-role/

Hmph. Why does he hate Bond so much? It's like his single, best role.