[Missing Reel]

Originally Posted by Hangover_Boy

I believe it's Mitchel:


-Mitchel's episode was called "Where No Man Has Gone Before"...."Into Darkness"?
-Mitchel has psionic powers. On the poster, he could have created that destruction around him with his mind (could have been with a weapon, granted, but still)
-Kirk and Mitchel investigate the missing Valiant. The ship shown crashing in the trailer does not look like the Enterprise as designed in the first film. Could this be a flashback of the Valiant becoming lost?
-Dr. Elizabeth Dehner plays a role in the original episode. She's a psychiatrist, which would explain the blonde (Alice Eve) in the blue uniform in the trailer, and is also played by a notable actress (ie - not an extra)
-Delta Vega (established as a location in the first movie) plays a role in the original episode. Could also be used as a call back to the first film.
-From the Star Trek wiki: "They also spent a wild shore leave together on Deneb IV. While on that planet, Mitchell showed a marked ability in sensing telepathic communication used by inhabitants of the planet." I looked into Deneb IV a little bit, and it's an exotic looking world. It's matte paintings were used for Vulcan at some point in ToS, which we know has a red tint. Could Deneb IV be the planet with the strange red vegetation we see in the trailer?


Just speculation. All in all, I think JJ is trying to trick us into thinking it's Khan.

Not to mention that they could just be using the character and concept as inspiration and the film's plot could be mostly different, given that we're now in the alternate universe.

But yeah, there seem to be more similarities here than with Khan.

[528491]

Okay I did read it- it was Karl Urban who said it during a Dredd interview.

The latest report on the villain character being played by Benedict Cumberbatch comes from SFX Magazine who are quoting Karl Urban from a junket for his upcoming film Dredd. According to SFX, Urban said of Cumberbatch:

"He’s awesome, he’s a great addition, and I think his Gary Mitchell is going to be exemplary.”

Pegg said this:

While not wanting to get specific, Pegg did flatly deny reports and rumors that Cumberbatch is playing Khan…

“It’s not Khan,” replies Pegg, annoyed. “That’s a myth. Everyone’s saying it is, but it’s not.”

But about Mitchell the writer is quoted as saying, no; not Mitchell. So, wtf?

Taking Khan/Mitchell/Charlie X out of the rumors, the focus seems to be gravitating toward Sybok, Spock's Vulcan half-brother who was exiled from Vulcan for pursuing emotion; and that he is back to destroy the Federation for the fate of Vulcan. The end scene mirroring TWoK is Spock and Sybok's hands; Sybok's death.

I still think it's Mitchell. Why would Urban blurt out Mitchell if it wasn't? Like he knows who Gary Mitchell is, if he's not in the movie. It's Mitchell.

[Huntressmoon13]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Dan

Yeah Sulu was Asian but go ahead and try to find an Indian actor in any of those episodes. Indian actors up to 10 years ago were constantly complaining that there are very few roles made available to them that were afforded other minorities.

C'mon if Abrams wanted to reboot Khan, he's not gonna pick Cumberbatch to be the character of Khan no matter how good an actor he is, he might call him someone else but if he is gonna do that then it really can't be a reboot of Khan.

You could get away with that stuff in the 60's, remember John Wayne once played Genghis Khan. Do you think if they made a remake of that movie, would they put Leo DiCaprio in that role because he's a good actor? Actually Scorsese might since he has a crush on him.

Ilia was an Indian actress. Of course she played a Deltan, but then a Greek played a Betazoid.

[Robert the Bruce]

I just want to say that the opening 10 minutes to 2009 Star Trek is one of my favorite openings to any movie ever. I'm rewatching it now and it is goddamn sublime. Wow. If the rest of the movie had been in line with that scene's tone and greatness...

[Bane]

What if that part from TWoK isn't even in the final cut of the movie? And they just tacked it onto the trailer to get you guys all riled up?

[528491]

Originally Posted by montferrat

I just want to say that the opening 10 minutes to 2009 Star Trek is one of my favorite openings to any movie ever. I'm rewatching it now and it is goddamn sublime. Wow. If the rest of the movie had been in line with that scene's tone and greatness...

Oh yeah man no doubt about that. Actually, it was a little depressing because as the main title cued up I was thinking, "As good as this movie might be there's nowhere to go but downhill from here."

[528491]

Originally Posted by Bane

What if that part from TWoK isn't even in the final cut of the movie? And they just tacked it onto the trailer to get you guys all riled up?

If that's true then JJ Abrams will go down as the biggest a-hole in the history of, of something. And he knows this. So if it's true we have Abrams sitting around right now full-well knowing he's going to be regarded as the a-hole.

Personally, this has to be in the movie and my money says it is either (don't know why I'm spoiling this stuff but whatever):

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1. Sybok rumor is true, Sybok dies at end, Spock/Sybok's hands 2. Mirroring TWoK in some way, Kirk dies at end; Kirk/Spock's hands Yeah yeah I know, how could Kirk die? Well, they just bring him back somehow in 3 like they did for Spock in the originals. Other than these two I can't imagine whose hands those are that would make any significant difference or even be worth putting in the movie, let alone the trailer.

[Hangover_Boy]

I believe it to be (just speculation, not spoilers)

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Spock's hand (blue uniform, vulcan hand sign) in the background, and Gary Mitchel in the foreground (black uniform)

[528491]

Could be, but my problem with that is that the scene is going to need some emotional resonance and I don't see that being built in one movie. It would seem to come off as a cheap imitation and I don't think Abrams would find that a good idea in a series he knows is going to be touching on some iconic imagery. It's clearly Spock's hand giving the "friendship" salute so I'm calling it

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Kirk dies

To the running speculatively wild following the other thoughts in the thread concerning Section 31

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Though Mitchell is the villain, Section 31 will play some part in this. Kirk will die in the end, Spock will give the eulogy and everyone will cry; then in the 3rd movie it's revealed that it was all staged to fake Kirk's death so he could infiltrate Section 31

[Hangover_Boy]

Originally Posted by IOstream

Could be, but my problem with that is that the scene is going to need some emotional resonance and I don't see that being built in one movie. It would seem to come off as a cheap imitation and I don't think Abrams would find that a good idea in a series he knows is going to be touching on some iconic imagery. It's clearly Spock's hand giving the "friendship" salute so I'm calling it

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To the running speculatively wild following the other thoughts in the thread concerning Section 31

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I could be onboard with this.

[528491]

Interesting possibility, though still a bit sold on Mitchell (man, I haven't geeked out this much on Star Trek for years. I'm going to have to balance this out by reading the Journal this afternoon):



But also talking on another forum and this guy brings up an interesting point:

In the last movie, Spock marooned kirk on the planet Delta Vega. In the original series episode Where No One has Gone Before, Spock wanted to maroon Gary Mitchell on Delta Vega. I don't think this is a simple coincidence...

Yeah I'm 99% this is Mitchell. And the blonde chick looks pretty much identical to the blonde from WNMHGB.

[528491]

[paizlea]

Originally Posted by Missing Reel

Why do people think they're remaking Wrath of Khan again?

I get that some of the trailer resembled Khan's story, but like, you actually think Benedict Cumberbatch is playing Khan?

The trailer seems to fit with a suped up Gary Mitchell storyline, so I don't really understand what everyone is saying.

There were strong early rumors that Cumberbatch was playing Khan. That's been sorta squashed, but not really, with the strongest objection coming from Simon Pegg. He said, in effect, that Cumberbatch is not playing Khan. OK, great. Must be Gary Mitchell or Garth of Izar.

But after reading io9's frame-by-frame analysis of the teaser, there was a great little theory posted in the comments: Cumberbatch is playing Joachim. Peter Weller, who's supposed to play a mentor to BC's character, is conspicuously missing from the teaser. Is that because his Khan-like appearance would give it away? Cumberbatch doesn't have to play Khan for this to be a Khan story. It would be a Khan reboot, as it were. I don't like it much, but it's as sound a theory as any other I've heard.

[528491]

I still highly doubt that it's Khan and not so much from the trailer but rather from thinking from an Abrams point of view (perhaps an imaginary point of view- but still). If it is Khan then that means that Abrams- who usually delivers on his tasks- is coming to the second movie and thinking, "Let's do the second movie again, but this time without the invested relationship between Kirk and Khan that was in the original." So unless he's got some stellar twist of masterful writing with which to replace that investment, then he's going in knowing full well he's not only making an inferior version from the start- but one that is going to receive a lot of backlash from the fans. I know I'd be pretty disappointed.

Khan's plan in the original all revolved around the "white whale" of getting back at Kirk for what he did, and for his perception that Kirk was responsible for his wife's death and all that jazz. But here? What's going on? How does Khan present any type of threat? How can he think he's going to attack the Federation? Where's he getting his ship from? You know; in the original he used mind worms to control Chekov into setting up a trap for the Enterprise; what's he do this time? ear worms again? Another trap but without Chekov? All of these things seem to me to be really problematic. Genetically engineered supermen fighting against Kirk is one thing, but fighting the entire Federation? I just don't see this as being a feasible storyline. Not to mention the problem of Cumberbatch wearing the Starfleet uniform.

Okay but if it's Gary Mitchell, now it makes more sense. He's got super-ESPer powers which fade in and out. He is a "one man weapon of mass destruction"; he fits the bill to a tee. Some people object saying, "He's got no silver eyes in the trailer!" Well, yeah- if they showed him with silver eyes, the gigs pretty much up. So obviously they're not going to just give it all away in the teaser. It makes sense that he's wearing the Starfleet uniform, and that he can control others' minds and do these grand scale objectives. I suspect what we'll see is him destroying some stuff, Kirk asking Pike, "Who is this madman?" and Pike retelling the story of WNMHGB and how he marooned Mitchell on the distant planet; we see the immediate effect of changing the timeline, causing Kirk not to be the one who was captain of the Enterprise during WNMHGB, and Pike making the wrong decision. Mitchell probably will kill Pike (perhaps the "WOK" mirror scene with Spock's hand and Pike's?) and then Kirk will have to stop him. Also, I can't help but give a nod to the guy who noticed the marooning on Delta Vega appearing in both the first movie and WNMHGB, both at Spock's hand. Then there is also that the blonde looks incredibly similar to Elizabeth Dehner who is a psychiatrist (blue uniform) who looks to be getting mind-raped in the trailer (either that or Scotty has been into the Romulan Ale and forgot to put on his pants). Cumberbatch looks like a pretty good match for Mitchell as well. Plus, this is one of the first and all-time great Trek episodes and would be a good target for the reboot series.






Then there is the poster which shows Cumberbatch in front of a bunch of destruction. Maybe it's Khan- but if I were a betting man (and I am) I'd put all my chips on Mitchell without blinking an eye.

[528491]

Wtf I just posted a response and either the "mods" seem to think they need to monitor my musings about Star Trek, or this forum needs a serious script overhaul. Note to operators: I am available for $50/hr.

[radioman970]

I don't care what this is....looks like some neato Star Treeekin across the universe to be had here!!! I'm so there!

[Wooley]

Originally Posted by IOstream

...Then there is also that the blonde looks incredibly similar to Elizabeth Dehner who is a psychiatrist (blue uniform) who looks to be getting mind-raped in the trailer (either that or Scotty has been into the Romulan Ale and forgot to put on his pants). Cumberbatch looks like a pretty good match for Mitchell as well. Plus, this is one of the first and all-time great Trek episodes and would be a good target for the reboot series.

Holy shit, that's Sally Kellerman!

[Neclord]

Since when is Gary Mitchell a Brit? Boom, I just shattered that speculation.

[Fleetwood Mac Sex Pants]

Maybe it's Billy Mitchell.

[Neclord]

Originally Posted by Homer Jr.

Maybe it's Billy Mitchell.

I think that would be too much villain, even for this movie.

[528491]

Originally Posted by Neclord

Since when is Gary Mitchell a Brit? Boom, I just shattered that speculation.

See, that's the thing. Do I reject the evidence that we have both a "megalomaniac with the power to take on the Federation, dressed in old style Starfleet uniform" and "blonde chick with secret name who looks virtually identical to Elizabeth Dehner down to uniform color" because "megalomaniac sounds to have accent"? That's the thing. That's my crazy way of deduction. Blonde chick made to appear identical to Dehner vs. vague accent of megalomaniac. Identical to Dehner. Accent. (lowers right hand, raises left) Identical to Dehner (lowers left, raises right) Accent.

I don't know I'm just not as confident that "accent" goes "boom" over "identical to Dehner"; but who knows. Maybe Abrams thought, "I know, I'll hire an actress, pay her big money, make her look identical to Dehner in every way, make her a superfluous character, waste dialogue and storytime to include her- but wow it will sure fool everyone when they see the teaser!" That sounds like a lunatic, but I guess eccentric might win out in the end.

And, just before anyone says, "Just because they put Dehner in the movie doesn't mean it has to be Mitchell"; yes, I know. And just because I see a dog squtting in my backyard, go out 5 minutes later and find turds in the yard don't mean it has to be the dog I saw. It could be my neighbor fancied a prank in bad taste. I'm just not sure I write "****ting dog" off the deduction pad just because it could be my lame ass neighbor and his foul hijinks.

[Father Betrayed]

It's amazing, but I think I enjoy Abram's penchant for creative misdirection and rumor milling during the pre-release period far more than any of his actual films.

Abrams is a wonderful PR guy -- too bad someone else, someone like Nolan, can't be tagged to direct the actual film. A sci-fi supervillain grounded in some legit backstory with various subplots and stories woven together, clever twists, and of course intelligent (sounding) dialogue. Not too far afield of Nicholas Meyer IMO

[Ace]

They screened the full trailer at Butt Numb a Thon and said that the had scene was between cumberbatch and Spock and took place in the brig. They then discussed if it could have been Spock's half Brother?

[528491]

I've been talking on another forum about the possibility of Sybok. It makes somewhat sense but the two things which make put me off of that is (1) why is he wearing the Starfleet uniform and has no pointed ears (2- the big one) if anyone but Mitchell is the villain then that means that Abrams has purposely included an Elizabeth Dehner clone (or, Dehner herself) just to trick people into deducing Mitchell from the trailer? I'm not saying at all that it can't be- it may well be. But if it be- then Abrams needs to get some help for his brain. Adding superfluous characters into movies just for the sake of misdirection in a trailer?

[Methuselah]

Im watching wrath of khan right now and no matter how many times i see this movie its like candy for the senses.

Its so damned riveting!

[Yosemite Dan]

Originally Posted by Ace

They screened the full trailer at Butt Numb a Thon and said that the had scene was between cumberbatch and Spock and took place in the brig. They then discussed if it could have been Spock's half Brother?

Mitchell was held in the brig in the original series. They probably managed to capture him and Spock is trying to mind**** him with his hand or something like Nimoy used to do and to see what the big deal is with this new supervilain that's in the goofy poster.

[528491]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Dan

Mitchell was held in the brig in the original series. They probably managed to capture him and Spock is trying to mind**** him with his hand or something like Nimoy used to do and to see what the big deal is with this new supervilain that's in the goofy poster.

True, they put Mitchell in a kind of energy cell which made his powers go away and he reverted to his normal self and was wracked with guilt over what he was doing as "altered Mitchell"- could be the same here, and he is lamenting to Spock something about the past, and before he goes "altered Mitchell" again, Spock gives him the salute.

[Gotham-iz-Ashez]

I really can't get enough of this teaser.

[Huntressmoon13]

Originally Posted by IOstream

[audierules]

Tonight, Paramount Pictures and Bad Robot screened for press the nine-minute IMAX prologue to J.J. Abrams' upcoming Star Trek Into Darkness. ComingSoon.net was on hand to take a first look at the footage and will be heading to Bad Robot tomorrow for more information. In the meantime, Abrams himself has requested that we keep specific details of the footage to a minimum.

Most intriguing about what was showcased, said to represent the first nine minutes of the film, is that it asks far more questions than it answers. By the time it's done, we still don't know the identity of Benedict Cumberbatch's mystery villain and we're left with the reveal that much of what we've already seen in the trailer is actually part of a separate adventure that joins the Enterprise crew in media res.

The footage opens with Noel Clarke and Kayla Hassan's characters living what appears to be a very ordinary life in the 23rd century. They wake up, make breakfast and drive to a hospital where a little girl, presumably their daughter, is unconscious in bed. The entire scene plays without dialogue, but with a surprisingly powerful Michael Giacchino score, somewhat reminiscent of the tear-inducing opening of Up.

Clearly troubled that he can't do anything to help her, Clarke is standing outside when he's approached by Cumberbatch, who tells him that he can help. Clarke asks who he is and we just get a mischievous Cumberbatch smile.

The rest of the footage finds the Enterprise in the middle of a mission to the same red-colored planet that we see in the trailer. Kirk and McCoy have been visiting the locals undercover and are now making a hasty escape. Hidden at the bottom of the planet's ocean, the Enterprise monitors the mission and, from a shuttle, Spock, Uhura and Sulu make their way inside a volcano. Spock has to head into the volcano to prevent it from erupting and, as lava waves build, it looks like he may not be getting out alive.

Abrams made the point in his introduction that fans have already assumed from the title and the first trailer that the sequel will be overly dark and he's hoping that this footage is going to counter that reaction. What's genuinely great about what happens onscreen is that we're seeing a fun "Star Trek" adventure that gives every single crew member a quick starring moment. We also get enough humor (particularly from Simon Pegg) that manages to make light of exactly the kind of fan over-analysis that the film is sure to generate (i.e. Can the Enterprise even operate underwater?)